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Paris

ATM phpfox is way too bloated.

It is slow as heck. SO heavy right out of the box. It's basrely able to work fine on a mobile web browser.

There must be a halt to everything and start working on speed. There are way too many files, css, js, and to make it usable requires a lot of powerful systems, setups and caching. Yet still not fast enough after all that.

If phpfox don't concentrate on speed, in about exactl 2 years phpfox will be a thing of the past.

You got competition from crea8social, wow-wonder and a ton others who are about 25-10x's faster.

Please work on the speed. YOu got a good script, but the speed makes it so "unusable". What good is a script if each feature "module" you add slows it down by 10%?

So I am being honest here. I want to launch so bad but this kind of speed is just not hitting it. I run crea8social, wow wonder , flat script and a few other sites that are so blazing fast, it puts phpfox to shame on the speed scale.

My wow wonder site's feed is so fast you can't even feel the load time. It's instant. SO is my crea8social.  The

biggest drawback is they don't have much features yet. But they are getting there. You gotta work on speed or on 2 years you will be a thing of the past. Wow Wonder jsut added groups, pages, and tons of features. It's gonna be big soon. Its fast as hell too. INSTANT feed. They rock on a 1 core vps.

Maybe I said too much but my phpfox site is sitting on a dedicated 8 core with 64 gb ram and super fast ssd with varnish, memcache, opcache, brotli, and the entire possible way to speed it up. Not moving good at all like other scripts.

I don't wanna sound so negative but I'm stuck. PHPFOX is SLOW and to top it off, the CORE lifeline ADvanced feed is broken. Slow, has issues on mobile web browsers and nothing in the ync library is Lightweight. It's all heavy.

Last update on June 5, 8:22 am by Paris.
Paul Kellow
#1

Hi Paris,

Thank you for your feedback. I totally agree that speed and performance is one of the most important factors for any social network sites. Indeed, we always proceed testing performance of our releases to make sure they meet our expectations. You can refer to the official blog for more details about our performance test: https://www.phpfox.com/blog/2018/performance-enhancement-in-phpfox-4-7-0/

In summary, With a single standard server setup (4 CPU cores, 16G RAM, 250G SSD storage), phpFox can handle pretty well with 10k members with the concurrency level of 5%

According to our 2019 plan, we are going to implement new phpFox version with Mobiel First Design by embracing the latest Front-end technology. Speed will also be mainly focused to bring users better mobile experience.

For details of our 2019 plan, you can read our official blog at https://www.phpfox.com/blog/2019/phpfox-2019-plan/

Back to your problem with performance, I assume that your site is growing fast. With a big online community, you may need to have multiple servers to handle the load for application servers and database servers. With our test for a real network, we can manage to handle a phpFox community with 10M members with 20x server resources of the above standard single server setup. In this case, we recommend you to reach out to experts for good advice and help.

One issue that can impact site speed is to use too many unnecessary apps. The more apps are installed, the more server resources are consumed. You should optimize or reduce the number of apps installed on your site. You should also test how the site loads with and without apps enabled.

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#2

The new phpfox has always been slow and this has been echoed many times over the years. By comparison take a look plenty of fish and keep in mind that this is tech from 2008 and has had significant improvements since then,. https://blog.codinghorror.com/my-scaling-hero/

Paris
#3

That is exactly the problem with phpfox. It requires TOO MUCH POWER AND EFFORTS to run ok. It's design is faulty on apps. Huge weight. Apps add tons of js, css and etc. The feed is in need of improvement. It's slow, only works after fully loaded. Runs ultra slow on mobile web browsers and small laptops. Big issue.

Point is You are asking clients to run a barebones setup with no apps for optimal speed? That's not the best answer imo. Yeah even barebones phpfox is slower than it's competitors by #x's.

Point is The features are the app's. Phpfox default features are incomplete. Take for example the feed. It has no filters, no feelings or anything. Other modern scripts already have it all.  We are forced to use the terrible available slow feed app "not hating on YNC or fe" for those features or in my case abandon them. Both Too slow and have compatibility issues with other apps.

The issue I am pointing out is that each app added destroys the scripts speed by loading Non combined css files. Autoload.css per app. Even with performance turned on it does not combine the files. 15 apps calls 15 auto css.

Important things.

1. Improve feed mechanism. Allow it to work prior to load completion. Atm we can't do nothing until page is done loading. I get complaints about this.

2.What I am asking is for a rethink on apps and design a better system to make apps "faster". Combine all the auto css files. Cache it at visitor page. I don't know. The speed on mobile web responsiveness is horrible too and on smaller laptops.

Anyways I'm sharing REAL use issues with you. Hope things improve. Your tests are not realistic. The devices and usage by people demand more and totally give an uglier result. Take for example how many folks will wait for entire feed to load? They are already clicking and scrolling. Now they are noticing delays and unreliable menu toggling. It's so bad sometimes I have to limit to 1 or 2 posts. That's unacceptable.

Modern scripts are pumping out 10 posts like nothing. No effort. Phpfox struggles.

Please improve #1 & #2. It's really ugly.

Many other examples but too much to list.

Hope to see improvement in future.

Last update on June 6, 8:23 am by Paris.
Paris
#4

The new phpfox has always been slow and this has been echoed many times over the years. By comparison take a look plenty of fish and keep in mind that this is tech from 2008 and has had significant improvements since then,. https://blog.codinghorror.com/my-scaling-hero/

I'm shocked by the speed. It's so slow compared to my other sites that use other brand. Those brands are spitting out feeds by the dozens without breaking a sweat on a 1 core vps.

This test site using phpfox of mine is on a dedicated beast machine and it's slow. Not even touching 5% of the cpu or memory. It's just not fast and it seems like the machine has nothing to do with it as it appears to perform nearly identical. It runs no better on 2core, 4core or even silly shared. It's as if it's as fast as it is. Not could be based on hardware at all. Note: got cloudflare, cdn, varnish, redis, memcache, nginx, and extra techniques to speed it up. I'm still seeing just minimal improvement. Barebones phpfox It's ok. Apps. Nothing can fix it. Run 0 apps is the solution it seem which would defeat the whole point of having apps.

Last update on June 6, 8:46 am by Paris.
#5

has there been any updates on this topic?

Paris
#6

Nope. Dead. 2020 and the script is still pretty much dead. They've capitalised on their mobile apps and have completely abandoned pro users. Our responsive issues are permanent.

They said they would implement a real MOBILE RESPONSIVE fix and feed fix but things never came.

I have now realized It's apps or nothing.

I don't know what to say about this. Nobody using mobile phone web can browse effectively so I obviously can't launch it as is.

I'm still here waiting for a fix 

Everything is fine on a home pc but on a mobile responsive, r.i.p feed after 50+ feeds if you're lucky it doesn't do vanishing acts.

#7

We really need a fix for performance issues soon in the next version...

Last update on May 5, 4:22 am by srny.
spirog
#8

well I agree with everyone else.. speed with using the apps is what we pay extra for... if we want barebones, we can buy another script for way less money. But I can also agree that - I actually love phpfox as the IDEA behind all the extras...

they have done alot of work fixing things and adding more features, 

we just need to completely focus on speed now..

I am hoping 4.8 will be different ..

when your purchase this script you should give purchasers the specs next to each one to use for best performance and speed.

so example if you buy the phpFox V4 - Lite script - will require atleast 2vpu and 4gb ram and 80-160 gb ssd drives for great performance

if you buy the next up phpFox V4 - Pro - you need a dedicated server 8 core 64gb ram 250 plus ssd drive (examples)

also you really need to do something about all the Autoload.css per app

we need to cache this and combine them somehow to figure out a way to make them smaller somehow,, this in many cases is the slowness i see.. when testing. 

I have 2x E5-2670 v2 server 128gb ram 1000ssd drive - this is 20 core / 40threads and it does run well on my laptop at home pretty smooth but if I try mobile version, not the app it is a little slow when im not at home using 4-5g . and this is just test site not real people on the site... so I can imagine if it were a busy site,,

I would like to say it has been getting better, but needs to improve on speed more than anything else.. 

I am hoping that version 4.8 will be a huge difference.

either way I wish all of you to be healthy in crazy times now and would hope that phpfox listens to the customers that have been there with them for years and not only focus on new customers - like cPanel did with their customers and other companies that I see do with there customers.. out with the old customers and lets bait the new customers and make money for as long as it lasts. this is not a good model and leaves people to be upset. and ruins the reputaiton of any company... 

I am sure thats not going to happen now - I think phpfox does have good intentions and wants to help their customers and keep ading new features and progress in speed... final words Please work on Speed in version 4.8 so we all can be happy and secure to want to upgrwade and buy the apps and other features you are making...

we all want success but we all need speed to suceed as well... :)

thanks,

PS. please dont be like the president and hate me now that I wrote this ( Joke LOL)

Best Regards,

Spiro

 

Last update on May 8, 1:13 am by spirog.
#9

Nope. Dead. 2020 and the script is still pretty much dead. They've capitalised on their mobile apps and have completely abandoned pro users. Our responsive issues are permanent.

They said they would implement a real MOBILE RESPONSIVE fix and feed fix but things never came.

I have now realized It's apps or nothing.

I don't know what to say about this. Nobody using mobile phone web can browse effectively so I obviously can't launch it as is.

I'm still here waiting for a fix 

Everything is fine on a home pc but on a mobile responsive, r.i.p feed after 50+ feeds if you're lucky it doesn't do vanishing acts.

They dangled the mobile carrot and when it was released, Surprise you now have to pay for the ultimate license. That ticked off a lot of old customers and loyal supporters.  If they posted that if that was their original intent, it wouldn't have wasted years of people's time waiting for it and wuold signal the community to seek out alternative solutions earlier on.  It was insulting and a slap in the face of loyal supporters.

Last update on May 16, 3:57 am by prepperz.